Monday, February 12, 2007

If You're For The War And You're Not In The Military, You're A Chickenhawk. If You're For The War And You Are In The Military, Shut Up.

Following links from this Glen Reynold's roundup re:Arkin, I came across this good point by Ace of Spades:

Exit question: Since Arkin asserts that the troops should not be allowed to influence the public's opinion on the war, and since the entire left demands that anyone supporting the war become a troop himself -- has the left pretty much created a Catch-22 by which any and all support for the war is illegitimate?

You can listen to Arkin offer up plenty of simpering leftist sophistry here.

Ace also points out:

Incidentally, does anyone doubt for one moment that had the report that sent him into leftist la-la land gone the other way -- with troops complaining that their mission was impossible and stating that they'd like to come home ASAP -- Arkin would have written a precisely opposite post about the "wisdom and expertise of our very-professional highly-educated military"?

It woud have been insincere, of course. But any club within arm's reach for these people.


Update: Well, dang, I've been Instalanched! Thank you, Professor Reynolds.

12 comments:

Anonymous said...

Well, the "entire left" is not against the war. There is, of course, Hitchens.

Anonymous said...

But Hitchens is sui generis, or to put it another way, he's the exception that proves the rule. One could also claim that he's not really part of "the Left" at this point in his intellectual evolution.

Anonymous said...

An exception "proving" a ruole in the sense you mean it is oxymoronic. "Prove" is meant in the sense of "proving ground" - a place of testing. An exception to a rule 'tests' whether that rule is valid. People that use it as you do do not comprehend what they are saying and their point has no validity. Hitchen supporting the war does not prove anything other than he is at least capable of intellectual honesty.

Anonymous said...

Hitchens is pro-war. Therefore he is on the right. QED. At least, that's how the left's logic goes.

Anonymous said...

I feel left out. I am retired military and am "for the war". To my understanding a "true" chickenhawk could never have been associated with the military...

Anonymous said...

"Hitchens is pro-war. Therefore he is on the right. QED. At least, that's how the left's logic goes."

I've actually had people argue this to me.

Warren said...

Anonymous said:

"I feel left out. I am retired military and am "for the war". To my understanding a "true" chickenhawk could never have been associated with the military..."


That's funny, I was called a "chickenhawk" because I wasn't in Iraq fighting even though I am a 55 year old veteran.

There are no "true chickenhawks", only truly chickensquat leftists that try to stifle anyone that's for this war!

Anonymous said...

I am a for on the War in Iraq (before i was more for it) but have not served in the miltary. I was in Manhatten on 9/11 and saw what the terror brought. Now that we see the hand of Iran into the battle for Iraq, will anybody in Washington, at least condemm Iran for killing American troops in Iraq? They have been at it since 1979 & they tell us all the time. I think that's real Chicken Shit Hawk big time. Run..Sen durbin Hegal/kennedy/Obama/"clit"on, etc... while you have time to move to europe or convert. You appeaser make me want to vote again.

Anonymous said...

Here is an easy way to win a debate against some anti-war ideologue. Demand that they come up with ideas, as described here.

Anonymous said...

Anytime some leftist faggot calls you a 'chickenhawk', you must call them by the accurate corresponding term :

Chickenterrorist.

This term is brilliant because while leftists support the terrorists, they are not willing to die for their goals the way the real terrorists are. They merely talk about them while sipping their Jenny Craig. Thus, they are Chickenterrorists.

michael i said...

Hey, why isn't hillary clinton cut down by Leftists pointing their fingers at her and chanting "chickenhawk, chickenhawk, neener neener you're a chickenhawk"?

Was hillary clinton ever in the active military? The Reserves? The National Guard? No, no, and no. What she did was dodge the draft and quite successfully too; all without the unpleasantness of sneaking off to Canada or hiding from the F.B.I.

She's a hypocrite. But why should hillary clinton be different from all the other feminists?

wlpeak said...

You left out a hybrid that I ran into a while ago. I am former Army. In an argument about the Katrina response, the Leftie trotted out, rather tangentially, that if I really believed everything I said, that I should go join the Army. Classic chicken-hawk. I informed him that I had already served. Didn't matter. He continued to imply that I had no credibility if I didn't join up. Even though I'm 46. So you see, if you never were in the military then you have no expertise and are a hypocrite, if you are in the military you should just shut up, serve or quit, and if you are prior military well you should go back. A very hermetically sealed cocoon these guys live in.